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preload passwords,precalculate for unknown users
« on: Feb 8th, 2007, 1:00pm »
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We have one CD with some pages we want to be public (available as trial / without registration).
 
Then there is another section that we want to make available to the users after the payment.
 
We do not want to use the "custom password for each user" feature, as for the user X, the name + email of X is required to calculate  the password.
 
We would like to "preload" the CD say with 1000 passwords so thay when they made payment, all what we do is give them one of the password on our file (say Excel).  
 
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Re: preload passwords
« Reply #1 on: Feb 8th, 2007, 1:09pm »
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Hi! This is not possible as is, but maybe there is a workaround.
A single hypertext (say it is 100 pages) can have:
 
1) one password that is identical for everybody
example:
pages 0 to 19 is without password
pages 20 to 100 have the password mickey
 
2) two, three, etc. passwords identical for everybody, applied to different group of pages;
example:
pages 0 to 19 is without password
pages 20 to 29 have the password mickey
pages 30 to 39 have the password goofy
pages 40 to 100 have the password picsou
(these pages can be mixed, groups of pages are not forced to be subsequent)
 
3) one password that is automatically different for each user
pages 0 to 19 is without password
pages 20 to 100 have the password XXXXX (calculated with the secret seed "mickey")
 
To have XXXXX (this means a key that will be different for each user, not actually five "X") you must enter user name + email in the Hypertext >Password dialog. Then all the CD are identical and can be mass replicated; you can calculate the passwords before or after sending the CD, you need to know user name and email; if you have a file with 1000 users, there is a bulk feature for generating the 1000 passwords; as already explained, the CD is identical for all 1000 users, and you generate the 1000 passwords just opening the source file for the CD and using Hypertext >Passwords)
 
4) the mix of  3) and 2)
 
 
If I understand correctly, you would like
5) two, three, etc. passwords identical for everybody, applied to the same group of pages;
example:
pages 0 to 19 is without password
pages 20 to 100 have the password mickey
pages 20 to 100 have the password goofy
pages 20 to 100 have the password picsou
(in other words, pages 20 to 100 works with mickey as well as the 3: mickey and goofy; but 1000 not just 3)
 
 
But here the workaround: to obtain something similar to 5, you may use the "custom password for each user" feature (the point 3.) and then create 1000 "fake" users, e.g. a file with:
 
My;CD;mycdpass1@mycd.com
My;CD;mycdpass2@mycd.com
....
 
You process this file with the Mass Generator (the automatic massive password generator) and the program will generate (say)
 
My;CD;mycdpass1@mycd.com;weGHi
My;CD;mycdpass2@mycd.com;hfgjK
....
 
then you can tell to a generic user:
 
Dear user, to activate the CD, enter as User Data:
First Name= My
Family Name= CD
Email= mycdpass1@mycd.com
 
then your password is= weGHi
 
 
To another user you may give the password for the second set of fake data, and so on....
This can be done after you print the CD, and for infinite users, not just 1000.
By the way, as you can generate pass after the CD is printed, you can bring with you a laptop and generate a user password on demand, when you give out the CD (it takes the same time that you spend opening a Excel file and removing a password from the 1000s list).
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Re: preload passwords
« Reply #2 on: Feb 9th, 2007, 11:13am »
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Thanks. If I run the customer user password -> MASS
GENERATION from CSV, am I suppose to see the list
inside the password panel or will it be invisible to
me (from the source document)? or does it mean it has
been embedded in the hypertex document already?
 
What of if I want to remove all the passwords? And
repeat the process in case I made mistake?
 
Please help. I want to go via this option  
 
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 9th, 2007, 11:35am »
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I think you are not getting how the "custom password for each user" works.
 
With this option, you define (say) one author password (say "mickey") and this is used as "seed" to calculate end users passwords.
These passwords are infinite and are obtained by calculation. These passwords are not memorized and so can not be "removed".
 
We show an example within the manual, see it at:
http://www.cdfrontend.com/visual_autorun_cd/autorun_cd_menu_presentation _000135.htm
 
Within this example, we set as author password (the seed) "mickey".
Then we calculate the password for the user
ALDO GHIGLIANO aldo@visualvision.it
 
The password is (see the picture in the page)
S\ZTOg
 
this is the password for this user, and it will always be this one, unless you change the seed (unless you set up a author password different than "mickey").
 
 
The "Mass Generation" is just a fast way for obtaining passwords for a high number of users.
Instead of manually inserting  
ALDO GHIGLIANO aldo@visualvision.it
JOHN SMITH john@abc.com
RON DOE rondoe@gmail.com
etc...
 
instead of this, you create a file with all the names and you obtain the password.
You can repeat the process infinite times: with the same input file and the same author pass it will always produce the same output file.
 
 
In other words, the editor contains a password generator algorithm, that uses the seed (mickey or whatever secret author password you will choose) to calculate the password for any user.
This password for a given user can be calculated also after the CD has been printed.
The CD contains a reverse algorithm, that uses the seed (that is not directly memorized but that is reverse-encrypted), asks to the end user name + email + password, match the data, and if the match is correct then it decodes the content and make it available to the end user.
 
It is a very sophisticated tecnique: the CD does not contain passwords so it can't be "cracked", the reverse algorithm permits you to see the CD only if you have the proper password (if I am Aldo Ghigliano aldo@visualvision.it I can open the CD in the example only with the password S\ZTOg )
 
 
In conclusion, you can generate infinite passwords. You can generate them after you have mass duplicated the CD (just open the work file used for creating the CD and use the Hypertext >Password).
The only important thing for the passwords is the author password (the seed).
The CD does not memorize the password for each user (as the user are infinite).
 
 
So, in case you are going to use the trick explained above, you can't do mistakes. You can repeat the mass generation for infinite fake data.
 
If, for a given author password (seed), the input:
My;CD;mycdpass1@mycd.com
My;CD;mycdpass2@mycd.com
....
 
produces:
 
My;CD;mycdpass1@mycd.com;weGHi
My;CD;mycdpass2@mycd.com;hfgjK
....  
 
the output will be always this for that input, also if you repeat the process. This output will change only in case you decide to change the author password.
 
 
 
Last thing:
>am I supposed to see the list
inside the password panel?
 
 
No, when you use the Mass generator, it takes an input file (a normal text file is fine) with user+email and it saves an output file (another text file) with the user+email+passwords. This output file has to be kept secret and must NOT go into the CD.
 
 
 
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 9th, 2007, 11:49am »
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Thanks. If I run the custom user password -using MASS  GENERATION from CSV, am I suppose to see the imported list inside the password  panel or will it be invisible to me (from the source hypertex document)? or does   it mean it has been embedded in the hypertex document already and active?
 
Secondly, it I want to rever the password that has been imported, is there any way to achieve this? So that the already imported password becomes null and void.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 9th, 2007, 11:58am »
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Thanks. If I run the custom user password -using MASS  GENERATION from CSV, am I suppose to see the imported list inside the password  panel or will it be invisible to me (from the source hypertex document)? or does   it mean it has been embedded in the hypertex document already and active?

 
 
No, you will not see the passwords in the pass panel. They won't be embedded in the hypertext.
Please read again my explain. The passwords are generated on the fly.........
When you use the Mass generator, it takes an input file (a normal text file is fine) with user+email and it saves an output file (another text file) with the user+email+passwords. Please notice that this output file has to be kept secret and must NOT go into the CD.
 
 
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Secondly, it I want to rever the password that has been imported, is there any way to achieve this? So that the already imported password becomes null and void.

 
this is fog for me. Please reword.  
"rever"?? what?
 
"imported password"?? you can not import passwords. when you use "custom password for each user" it is the program that decides the password for a given user (or for a user list, with the Mass Generation), not you.
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Re: preload passwords
« Reply #6 on: Feb 10th, 2007, 4:31pm »
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PLS confirm if I use the option 4 above, am I suppose to enable ASK PASSWORD ON FIRST RUN at HYPERTEX->PASSWORD, or whenthe CD created is use on PC it will prompt user for their firstname, lastname, email and key?
 
I used the Cd, it doesn't prompt me for those information, perhaps I'm using on same PC.
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Re: preload passwords
« Reply #7 on: Feb 11th, 2007, 4:35am »
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On your own PC it already has your data (the CDFrontEnd editor one) so it won't ask your data.
Test it on a clean PC.
 
The option you refer to is another thing; it enables you to choose if the CD must ask the password every time you use it, or if only the first time you use it (then it memorizes)
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pass is answer to a question that is known
« Reply #8 on: Jan 26th, 2009, 2:07pm »
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I'm trying to make a CD for a particular group.
 
On the first page, they want a Password that is an answer to a question that is known by all of them and not by the public.
 
On the first page, I will have only the question and a space for the answer.
 
How do I do this?
 
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Re: preload passwords,precalculate for unknown use
« Reply #9 on: Sep 4th, 2009, 12:59pm »
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you can do this with a trick.
 
make the first page unprotected.
 
put a cover image or so.
 
then write something like this:
 
"Now click here - the program will ask you a password. The password is the name of the secret association we all were members in 1984"
 
then link this text to a new page (highlight, "Insert >Link", then select the tab "new page" or so... to learn how to link and create pages, read the concise Chapter 1 of the PDF manual).
 
Then, with the password manager (Hypertext >Passwords) you will protect all pages with the password that is the answer to your question. And you will left unprotected the first page (how? see: http://www.paperinik.com/cgi-bin/eng/YaBB.pl?board=EBW;action=display;nu m=1023726185 )
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